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    Quote Originally Posted by booth View Post
    @DangerDave how did he benefit from illegal notes? Does it show waypoints etc, where does the advantage come from?
    Don't know to be honest unless someone converted the roadbook to a map and found sneaks or faster lines or added to improve the route descriptions which is all easy, just time consuming. But in the interview I saw the race director said rules are clear, you get a roadbook, you can personalize it and add the extra stuff they add in last minute that was forgotten or like if a washaway has happened since roadbooks were printed etc. but that is all you are allowed to used to navigate the route- any other supplementary information is illegal- fair is fair and navigation is part of the challenge.
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    From the source:

    Here is my analysis of the notes found on Benavides' bike (taped on the gas tank) that got him the large penalty. He had "shortcuts" described in those notes indicating the kilometer to take action, and the compass heading (cap) to take at that point. In the case illustrated here, 3 notes describe a "fast line" by diverting from the roadbook defined course at 37.1km, going down to the beach, and riding along the beach to the next control point at 46.3km. Though it doesn't look much shorter in distance (both paths are about 6.5km), I would expect it to be a fair amount faster on the smooth beach than following the course on somewhat rougher terrain. Since the roadbook point at 39.1km is not a control point, they don't have to go through that point.

    While the ASO clarification indicates no such notes "in the roadbook", the original regulation says "It is only authorized to carry on the Rider and his Machine . . .". There may be a little wiggle room there, but ASO generally doesn't go for such wiggling, and the French version of the rules may be a bit more precise.

    Regarding smart phones, my interpretation of the rules is that a smart phone map app that can display satellite images, such as Google Maps, would be disallowed. My guess is MANY competitors are breaking that rule. And a competitor using a smartphone camera at the start line may want to watch his back! Time to make a rule that smart phones be left behind or put into a non see through zip-lock bag with an ASO tamper resistant seal on it, so if it's used, ASO can see that.

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    Scary thought for Yamaha, Sherco and Honda, if they ever stop KTM's winning streak, and I am sure they will one day....it will still take them at least 19 years of consecutive wins to break KTM's record!:icon
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubar View Post
    Scary thought for Yamaha, Sherco and Honda, if they ever stop KTM's winning streak, and I am sure they will one day....it will still take them at least 19 years of consecutive wins to break KTM's record!:icon
    You are wrong there, check with Mark250, it's only 16 years
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    I see KTM have announced that they won't have a factory team at Dakar next year, going to put all their funds into Moto GP

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubar View Post
    Scary thought for Yamaha, Sherco and Honda, if they ever stop KTM's winning streak, and I am sure they will one day....it will still take them at least 19 years of consecutive wins to break KTM's record!:icon
    Think a lot of it is also just focus per event, as far as I am aware since 1997 Honda has won all but 1 Baja 1000 (2013 was won on a Kawasaki) and I don't think KTM has ever won Baja 1000, Doubt they really care either their big rally focus is Dakar and they dominate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StuartC View Post
    I see KTM have announced that they won't have a factory team at Dakar next year, going to put all their funds into Moto GP
    30% of there profits go into Moto GP. Where did they announce that, because some of the riders have contracts until 2020.
    Once KTM buys Ducati, they might have a decent Moto GP team
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naughty Ian View Post
    30% of there profits go into Moto GP. Where did they announce that, because some of the riders have contracts until 2020.
    Once KTM buys Ducati, they might have a decent Moto GP team
    Firstly "Their" secondly they never announced it I just wanted to shut you lemmings up for the next 11.5 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StuartC View Post
    Firstly "Their" secondly they never announced it I just wanted to shut you lemmings up for the next 11.5 months.
    Don’t make jokes like that Stu, @Naughy Ian and all the other Andy Disciples could potentially slip into cardiac arrest if the orange church leaves its sheep in the lurch.
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    I'm considering an 1190 Bull so I need to slowly start buttering up the lemmings in order to be accepted back into the fold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BULL View Post
    Don’t make jokes like that Stu, @Naughy Ian and all the other Andy Disciples could potentially slip into cardiac arrest if the orange church leaves its sheep in the lurch.
    @BULL, just for interest sakes, how did the incredible Yamaha's do with there far "superior" suspension do?
    I believe first one in 6th place, behind 3 KTM's and 2 Husquarvana's, all on that shit WP suspension. I think Toby Price will differ with your thoughts on good suspension, cause to ride with a broken wrist, the suspension can't be that bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naughty Ian View Post
    @BULL, just for interest sakes, how did the incredible Yamaha's do with there far "superior" suspension do?
    I believe first one in 6th place, behind 3 KTM's and 2 Husquarvana's, all on that shit WP suspension. I think Toby Price will differ with your thoughts on good suspension, cause to ride with a broken wrist, the suspension can't be that bad
    With what KTM riders pay the worlds best riders to promote their brand warts and all, he would have ridden it with a broken neck and back during a sever gout attack and with bleeding piles. Don’t believe all the hype.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BULL View Post
    With what KTM riders pay the worlds best riders to promote their brand warts and all, he would have ridden it with a broken neck and back during a sever gout attack and with bleeding piles. Don’t believe all the hype.


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    Quote Originally Posted by StuartC View Post
    I see KTM have announced that they won't have a factory team at Dakar next year, going to put all their funds into Moto GP
    Stuart, you are fishing in an empty pond. All the fish are either dead or have swum away to clearer water. The 101 pond is sad to say "empty" very empty. The few fish left are wise to your type of bait so wont take it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BULL View Post
    With what KTM riders pay the worlds best riders to promote their brand warts and all, he would have ridden it with a broken neck and back during a sever gout attack and with bleeding piles. Don’t believe all the hype.
    @BULL, Dave summed it up properly, The Baja - Honda dominates, The Dakar - KTM dominates and by your own submission to me, The Silver Roof - Yamaha dominates, so maybe they must stick to that
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