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    Quote Originally Posted by Naughty Ian View Post
    Well you bundle of joy, post whatever the controversy was on here, then I can see it, for what it means
    Kids from Dewildt moaned that the organizers didn't pay/feed them for the time they spent marking/cutting the track.
    Apparently they had involvement in delaying the national.
    That's the one side of the story though.

    I'm interested to hear the other side.
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    What page or post? Link?
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    This is all I've seen online...

    But I did ride Dewildt on Saturday so I did hear most of it before I saw this photo.

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    Hey Klient, Sphiwe says you are a kunk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naughty Ian View Post
    Well you bundle of joy, post whatever the controversy was on here, then I can see it, for what it means
    I have/had no Idea myself, don't follow bike races anymore

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    Care to comment Klint

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    @Slim posted some pics on our whatsapp group with images showing payment and some food etc he bought for them. But I will leave it to him to post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DenDirtbiker View Post
    This set up just seems confusing. Or am I just used to the racecontrol set up?

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    Did they only do 3 laps? What about the MSA regulations in terms of time or distance that needs to be covered in order to call it a difference or did it change with flag to flag?
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    I was there watching and the route was pretty badly marked IMO, the Pros came past us one way and then everyone else came the opposite way about 40 minutes later, not a marshall in sight from what I saw. The race was stopped and restarted at around midday. I have no idea what else went on behind the scenes as I left just after the restart... Its an incredible place to ride and well worth the drive.
    Wherever you look, there you are.

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    Couple of images from @Slim . His lap top is not with him. By the sounds of things he has had a somewhat challenging time. These are proof of payments, he mentioned he just doesnt have the proof of payments to taxi transport. Also a screen shot of the same guy posting that he wasnt paid, asking for a job.















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    Quote Originally Posted by LupiniPower View Post
    I was there watching and the route was pretty badly marked IMO, the Pros came past us one way and then everyone else came the opposite way about 40 minutes later, not a marshall in sight from what I saw. The race was stopped and restarted at around midday. I have no idea what else went on behind the scenes as I left just after the restart... Its an incredible place to ride and well worth the drive.
    That is where the GXCC races are up there. Professional marshalls all over. And Louwrens sweeps the track the whole day during the event with a few other roaming guys doing rounds too.

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    Please talk to me but DO NOT feed me!
    No marshals, poorly marked, people possibly paid and fed and the organiser throwing his hands up claiming ignorance. Pretty par for the course based on my past experience.
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    Maar nou ja, as die perd by die water staan en jyt hom klaar met 'n stok gepoes en 'n klip of twee gegooi om te drink gaan hy heel moontlik eerder vrek van die dors.

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    Hi fellow riders,

    I wasn't going to comment as the issues have already been resolved, but it wouldnt be fair for me not to give some input as I have had a front row seat to what goes into these events as well as the PK National this weekend - get a cup of coffee its a long one...

    Without these events and series - Powasol, EWXC, GXCC, WFO, Roof and others - we would not have the level of talent we are seeing coming through the ranks in SA. I have to put my hand up and admit that I was one of those to get on a soapbox after an event when it didn't go my way (mainly to an over estimation of my own limited talent) and have my say without giving some thought to what goes into these events, only when I got involved in setting routes alongside organizers did I realize what a thankless job it is and before I/we point fingers we all need to take a step back and consider the variables involved when prepping for an event - here are a few of the basic ones:
    1. Remote locations meaning equipment, crew etc is being moved around the country
    2. Limited time to prep
    3. Routes that involve massive areas of difficult terrain
    4. A spread of riders, pro's, weekend warriors, people who over estimate their talent and every level has a different expectation or view on what is a fair route
    5. Weather, extreme heat or rain can change an event completely
    6. Animals that either eat markers - cows, or baboons that simply tear them down or carry them off. It is a regular occurrence for route marking to be completed only to find out a day before that a troop of baboons find candy tape and pink markers terribly interesting and rip it all down and head for the hills as happened at PK this weekend.
    7. Riders coming completely unprepared - no tools, no phone as happened in 2 cases this weekend
    8. Arranging toilets, food, medical

    Its a massive undertaking but on the other side of the coin yes it is a business that organizers choose to be in and they need to offer value and present the best event possible considering the variables. To date I have never seen an organizer who isn't passionate about the sport, it's riders, family and offering value - if they didn't they wouldn't survive.
    People like Klint, Gary, Lourens, Graham, Peter, Craig and Charan drive this sport for us and having seen the abuse they get and the effect on them personally is disheartening. With the variables involved it would take a miracle to have an event run 100%, things can and will go wrong and that's where the character of the organizers as well as the competitors will be shown - organizers need to correct quickly and fairly and us competitors need to accept the situation and get on with racing.
    I had a perception that organizers made decent money, I hope they do and we shouldn't begrudge them if that is the case because having looked in its a hard way to make a living.

    With regards to the PK National this weekend here are the facts from an impartial perspective:
    The DW boys/Track clearer's
    1. They asked for the job and a price was agreed - R100 per day plus an additional R50 per day bonus for a job well done paid at the end of each week
    2. They had 2 weeks to get it done and could stay in the bush camp when available otherwise transport would be paid or arranged between PK and Copshop - this was done and supporting slips etc support that
    3. Food was supplied while they were working again with supporting slips
    4. At the end of week 1 little progress was made mainly due to 2 days of rain which the boys were paid for anyway
    5. On the Friday of week 1 I expressed my concern at the progress being made and the boys committed to having the main sections done by Sunday for a pre-ride by myself. The boys were paid in full for the week with supporting docs.
    6. The next day despite the commitment the previous day all of them were at the EWXC drinking beer when they should have been working, when I took them to task they promised they would be at PK then next day - Sunday - and get the job done. They didn't pitch and at that point I let Bob and company know that they were letting myself and themselves down.
    7. By Monday when Klint arrived he blew a fuse which under the pressure is understandable and he let the boys have it
    8. From Monday to Thursday the boys stayed out of Klints way and stuck to the safety mountains and to their credit did a great job of the back section.
    9. On Friday and the most important day none of the boys pitched claiming sickness or just not answering phones, Klint found them at the Copshop making tips for a SOHR ride which upset him as witnesses will confirm...

    The resolution:
    The boys did not go back to Klint, Mike or myself asking for the second weeks pay and did not take calls, the 1st comms we got was via a facebook post from Sphiwe which was written in the heat of the moment and was not accurate. Before that post was made Klint had asked a number of times what was owed but again no comms from the boys.
    After the facebook back and forward yesterday I personally went out to copshop to discuss the issue with the boys, agree the facts and resolve the issue. As they will confirm I gave then a direct lesson on finishing a job when you commit to it, you don't come and go as you please and you honor what was agreed - they all accept they were wrong in skipping the previous weekend.
    I also explained that making statements in a public forum, especially inaccurate ones is not right and Sphiwe acknowledged this an explained it was in the heat of the moment and he was angry - these are young guys whose comms skills are not where they should be so I can understand how it happened. Sphiwe has since retracted and has also asked Klint for a job...
    Klint was not at fault, payment was not withheld there was a gap in comms. I was not the one who went and paid the boys, as Klint was already down In Durban I went on his behalf and he paid the boys in full - no questions.
    The lesson for us riders, we have all known the copshop boys from knee-high and most of us have supported them in some way or another and in general they are a great bunch of lads living a difficult life. As riders we need to make them accountable, when we tip we should tip for great service and not dish out cash to every boy who arrives at our window on the way out. These boys have potential but they also have an easy honeypot in the form of us riders who give freely with good intentions but unintentionally create a sense of entitlement and easy cash which will not benefit them in the years to come.

    The national:
    As mentioned before, PK has amazing riding with very tough terrain and a huge area to cover. It is also home to large troops of baboons who spend their entire day turning rocks for insects, usually in the paths and are super attracted to bright colors, after 2 marking sessions with pink markers baboons tore every single marker down, turns out the sticky stuff is sweet and we now know that baboons have a sweet tooth, they also love candy tape which was used to bunt off no go sections so we were fighting a losing battle.
    The only solution we found was hanging marking tape from the trees on the left hand side of the track - for future reference this is the only stuff baboons will not touch, no idea why, it was Husky tape though which may have something to do with it (joke..)
    There was zero issue following the route until 22km where baboons had dragged the bunting tape closing the Jeep track down to the pits off as well as the markers directing the riders left to go down Omkeer. Marshals were on course but unlike a GXCC as mentioned in a previous post sweeping a 28km tech route is a bit more complex than a mielie field drag race - no insult intended!
    By the time we saw the problem the top 7 had gone through straight down the Jeep track and through the bunting directing riders on the correct route left to the pits and headed against traffic up Omkeer, riders on the correct loop now went straight up the jeep track due to the broken bunting which compounded a perfect storm.
    After the race was restarted there was not a single case of a remotely intelligent rider getting lost so the marking worked 100% from there.
    The route was tough but its actually an easy version of PK, the fact that a 12 year old on a small wheel 85 completed 2 full laps suggests that while it was tough it was doable for anyone entering a National or Extreme event.
    The overwhelming feedback is that the event post the 1st lap issue was a success and some good lessons learned.

    Klint has taken a lot of abuse, what I can tell you is that he calls a spade a spade, is passionate about the sport and its future, yes he can be as rough as the welding on a Beta but we need people with his passion in the sport. If you have a problem, talk to him and you will be surprised.

    In closure having been involved in other sports full of prima donnas and bullsh%t this is the one sport where no one cares who you are, where you're from, what you have and when we are out there kakking off we all stick together giving encouragement and support. That encouragement and support should continue on Monday morning when we jump online in the comfort of our offices or homes and the protection of a keyboard.

    Please support the people, brands and organisations that put these events together for us. When they get it wrong talk directly, be constructive and remember to give a thank-you and a compliment every now and then to let them know that even though we hate them when we are out there sweating, cramping and kakking off we still love the events and look forward to the next one.

    We're a great community and are very lucky to do what we do, look forward to seeing you all out there soon!

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    And this ladies, is what I would consider the 1st and probably the best (hopefully not last) piece of actual PR that has ever graced this forum.
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